tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7410445500476013619.post5477506823450315085..comments2024-03-27T15:56:33.818-04:00Comments on Type 2 Nutrition: The Nutrition Debate #134: “You Really Don’t Need to Test”danbrownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00119737446791634173noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7410445500476013619.post-75821080701201085192013-08-17T16:58:26.922-04:002013-08-17T16:58:26.922-04:00'More Paleo'in the sense you clarified is ...'More Paleo'in the sense you clarified is fantastic. I wish I could get my wife to agree to buy, or let me buy, grass-fed, grass-finished beef, etc. She doesn't like it, even sausages from local producers that are packed nearby. She says they're 'dry.'<br /><br />I agree with you and not with Chris. My own experience is that lower serum insulin has made my cells MORE insulin sensitive. I attribute my relatively high insulin sensitivity to my VLC diet. See my HOMA test results in #86.<br /><br />I also have a different understanding (than yours) about DP. I don't know what causes some people's hormones to jump start glucose in the morning, but my understanding is that Metformin is used primarily to suppress unwanted manufacture of glucose from excess amino acids stored in the liver from eating 'too much' protein, i.e., what the cells can 'take up' in 4 to 5 hours after the protein is broken down to amino acids through digestion. I did not associate this unwanted glucose production with DP. I do take my 500MG of Metformin with dinner, though, since that is the only meal in which I am unlikely to overeat protein. I have about 20g for breakfast and 15g for lunch. In the best of all worlds I would only have 20g at dinner (55g total),but I sometimes eat more. Last night, I had just one chicken thigh instead of the two I used to eat, plus young green beans bathed in butter.<br /><br />Thanks, Jan. You're very kind to say such nice things about me. I would advise you though to read many sources and bloggers. They are copious. A new one I get emails from is Authority Nutrition. He is pithy, gives links to all his dogma, and pretty much follows the straight and narrow. I could nit pic and quibble on a few points, but he's good. Also, check out the Diet Doctor, Andreas Eenfeldt. He's another good one.danbrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00119737446791634173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7410445500476013619.post-82001538897066172072013-08-17T14:11:53.930-04:002013-08-17T14:11:53.930-04:00By "more Paleo" I meant I'm paying m...By "more Paleo" I meant I'm paying more attention to where all that meat I eat comes from. I already gather my own eggs from my own hens, and am lucky to have a vegetable stand practically in my back yard. There's a lot of paleo stuff I can't eat, as a diabetic, or else have to eat in small enough portions that it makes no sense to cook it (sweet potatoes for example). You recall rightly, I am extremely carb intolerant. One thing I am beginning to appreciate about the paleo movement is that it has spread low carb living beyond the diabetic population. When I have dinner with my son and his friends now, they're interested in the same food I eat. <br /><br />I have only been to Chris' site once, I was following a trail from another site. Thank you for your insight. This is what I was referring to:<br /><br />"One caveat here is that very low-carb diets will produce elevated fasting blood glucose levels. Why? Because low-carb diets induce insulin resistance. Restricting carbohydrates produces a natural drop in insulin levels, which in turn activates hormone sensitive lipase. Fat tissue is then broken down, and non-esterified fatty acids (a.k.a. "free fatty acids' or NEFA) are released into the bloodstream. These NEFA are taken up by the muscles, which use them as fuel. And since the muscle's needs for fuel has been met, it decreases sensitivity to insulin....So, if you eat a low-carb diet and have borderline high FBG (i.e. 90-105) it may not be cause for concern. Your post-meal blood sugars and A1c levels are more important."<br /><br />I had never run across this theory in the diabetic world, where higher fasting blood sugars are almost always attributed to the dawn phenomenon and treated with Metformin. <br /><br />My overall problem has been that no matter how precisely I stick to a low carb and low calorie diet (and I'm very OCD about it), I still gain weight. I'm not giving it up because it works well for my blood sugar, but I still need to find a key for the weight problem. In the past couple of years I've gained 30 pounds. It's very depressing and sooner or later I know my blood sugar and other blood tests will suffer. <br /><br />As you know, we're mostly on this journey outside the guidance of the traditional medical world, so I always appreciate the things I glean from your writing.<br /> Jan Blawathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06697621979002856884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7410445500476013619.post-78543628500967057122013-08-14T21:30:42.382-04:002013-08-14T21:30:42.382-04:00I looked briefly at Chris's site but could'...I looked briefly at Chris's site but could't find what you are referring to. I do not, frankly, understand what he could possibly mean by "very low carb diets will produce elevated fating blood glucose levels." That doesn't make any sense to me at all.<br /><br />But you have to remember that Chris is not a very low carb guy. And frankly, to the extent that you are an insuling resistant (carbohydrate intolerant) type 2, as I recall that you are, I don't understand why you would "go more Paleo." See my column #124,"A Lamentable Confusion Between Diets," in which I describe how if you have IR, you really have to do a very limited version of Paleo, or else...your fasting glucose levels will go up. How can it be otherwise?<br /><br />I agree with Chris, of course, that A1c's and spreads between fasting and postprandial readings are a truer indication of what you are eating, and to that extent they are a much more reliable indication of your status. It is also a much better tool to diagnose type 2s than 2 consecutive FBGs over 126 (diabetic) or 2 consecutive FBGs between 100 and 125 (prediabetic). These were very primitive tools, and of course missed diabetics who ate a VLC diet (like me), instead of a "balanced, healthy diet" with lots of fruits and vegetables (and refined carbs and sugary processed foods), like most of the population.danbrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00119737446791634173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7410445500476013619.post-29716860983626660992013-08-14T12:23:12.852-04:002013-08-14T12:23:12.852-04:00I was accustomed to having fasting glucose levels ...I was accustomed to having fasting glucose levels between 87-95 on my low carb diet. In the past year, I've gone more paleo, but still with very low carb, and my fasting glucose levels have gone up to between 98-110. I've been really concerned about this. This morning I read on Chris Kesser's site that very low carb diets will produce elevated fasting blood glucose levels. He claims that post-meal blood sugars and A1C levels are more important. Have you had to deal with this? It's pretty scary when you know you've been diligent about your diet and your fasting levels start rising. I can't take metformin, it gave me really bad muscle cramps. I have monitored my blood sugar throughout the day and found that it stays pretty flat, and usually below the first reading. I agree totally with your premise today, do NOT tell diabetics they don't have to test just because it seems everything is under control. I think doctors should all pack a meter with themselves for a week and test before and after meals, just to get an idea what can happen, and what causes things to happen. Their assumptions often have no basis in reality.Jan Blawathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06697621979002856884noreply@blogger.com